Brake line burst

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amawds

Brake line burst

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So while driving home today, I had a front left brake line burst. I know what you're thinking, "probably the originals... idiot." Nope. Two year old stainless lines from Vicks Auto!!! Luckily no accident, nobody hurt, AAA paid for the tow etc. Funny, the tie rods, ball joints, and a-arm bushings on that car are all creamed as well. Interestingly enough, all purchased from vicks. I've burned through a headlight switch that only needed to drive headlight relays fail on me, from vicks. I've had the damn heater fan switch from vicks fail. Did you know the prima 3 tubular a-arm kit and prima fiat 500 brake conversion don't fit together without sending the upper arm back for modification? Building another car and ran into that issue. You'd think I'd learn... :lol:

Moral of the story, as a general maintenance recommendation, check crossmember bolts regularly, check wheel lug torque a few miles after a tire change, use oils with high zinc content, AND NEVER ORDER CRITICAL CAR PARTS FROM VICKS AUTOSPORTS OR RISK YOUR GODDAMN LIFE OVER THEIR WOEFULLY POOR QUALITY CAR PARTS. That is all.

I have their prima 3 a-arms and the Fiat 500 brake kit from them. Both parts I really like. The high caster gives you fantastic camber gain when you turn the wheels, allowing a nice close to 0 static camber point without killing off your high speed cornering grip. The brake kit gives you proven calipers. If you let them know you want both, they'll have to modify the upper a-arm to accommodate. I chose not to bring this compatibility problem to the forum because they fixed it nicely. Their customer service is perfectly fine. But their parts quality is subpar and they even admitted they can't figure out why the ball joints keep failing. But when I have a brake line burst? Yeah sorry, solitude of silence is broken. Course I'm a bad seed, I put 40k miles on my car since I bought it and installed these parts, in 3 years. Apart from that, autoricambi is my choice. I haven't had one of their parts fail yet. Haven't ordered much from Mark (Allisons) but I can't remember a single one of their parts failing either.
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4uall
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Your car is a: 1980 Fiat Pininfarina Spider 2000 F.I.
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Re: Brake line burst

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I am glad to hear that you and your vehicle are okay :shock:

This seems to be a running theme with VAS (too many posts to list & not just from me :roll: ). There are always choices out there and I wish you all the best in your resolution. I too am a huge supporter of Autoricambi, Mark Allison, Mid West Bayless and others (people on the forum) and I feel that those that have earned my business will have continuous support both through orders and word of mouth. Those such as the Vicks of the world will eventually fade away into obscurity. :|
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Glad myself and more importantly my girlfriend is okay. The car in question obviously needs every single suspension component replaced again, the body was never straight, paint was bad, rust everywhere, crossmember welded to the car by the PO, but the engine is sound and all the dash pieces I replaced/made are still great so this works out in the end. The 1980 project is just about ready for all these components to be swapped over so it isn't too big a deal. Would have liked a couple more weeks out of it but oh well.

Vicks has their place in the world. Some of their parts aren't bad, mainly seals brackets etc. I have their low profile fan + bracket kit for the 1980. They bring goodies to the market that others just don't carry because they're willing to fabricate stuff. But anything they import or source from other markets, they just don't bother to test. Oil pressure senders, switches, basically just about anything electrical fails in such a short amount of time that I can't understand how they aren't noticing.
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124JOE
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Your car is a: 1978 124 fiat spider sport 1800
Location: SO. WI

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in my head I go back to when I was working at the local hobby shop
they offered braded fuel lines. it turns out that the inner hose was smaller OD
than stock lines and more likely to fail

I don't know if this falls into the same deal as brake lines but here it is


.joe
when you do everything correct people arent sure youve done anything at all (futurama)
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I have no dog in this, and am glad this turned out alright, but when I see someone saying that all their new parts failed I am doubtful.

Glad everyone is good! I had a brake cylinder fail dramaticly last winter on my Subaru, the pedal just suddenly went away when I was stopping hard, SCARY, again, nothing damaged, but what a feeling! ( it was a 20yr old cylinder)
amawds

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majicwrench wrote:I have no dog in this, and am glad this turned out alright, but when I see someone saying that all their new parts failed I am doubtful.

Glad everyone is good! I had a brake cylinder fail dramaticly last winter on my Subaru, the pedal just suddenly went away when I was stopping hard, SCARY, again, nothing damaged, but what a feeling! ( it was a 20yr old cylinder)
Rightfully so. I do want to emphasize that I'm much more cruel than most of you all are on your car parts. This car racked up 40k miles on these parts in a short amount of time, and was driven summer through winter, rain or shine, hail or snow. Hard cornering, highway, city, country roads you name it. Headlight switch failed even though it was just driving headlight relays. Oh well. Oil pressure switch literally never read correctly, always showing very low oil pressure. It was replaced with a low mileage original sensor from a 1971 parts car. All the bushings died quickly, even though they were torqued with a jack under each a-arm and torqued to proper ratings. Tie rod ends showed play at 20k miles. Same with ball joints. Be doubtful, that's a smart thing to do. But I'm just adding to a very large pot of people who have had issues with VickAuto parts. Most of this post was a general rant, not necessarily towards you majic. All is good and fine, nobody was hurt, I learned to check my brake lines more often and to be wary of vickauto parts. Their stainless lines are already on the 1980 project, but the rears don't see the same stress, while the fronts look of course completely different because they are part of the brake conversion kit. I'll be watching them closely for deterioration but am doubtful I'll have issues with them. 8)
So Cal Mark

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Post by So Cal Mark »

those braided hoses shouldn't burst, unless they aren't crimped properly into the end fitting. Did the hose fail at the end or somewhere inbetween? Any obvious physical damage to the hose?
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So Cal Mark wrote:those braided hoses shouldn't burst, unless they aren't crimped properly into the end fitting. Did the hose fail at the end or somewhere inbetween? Any obvious physical damage to the hose?
Failed at the end fitting, the side towards the car, not the caliper. No external damage, no rub marks etc.
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Your car is a: 1978 124 Spider with Isuzu Turbo Diesel

Re: Brake line burst

Post by DieselSpider »

Could have had the banjo at the wrong angle so it was pulling during hard turns.

I just replaced mine with the OE style Beck/Arnley and found there was not much room for error in setting the angle on the banjos.
majicwrench

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Amawdo,
You certainly put more miles and wear on than most, and thanks for taking my reply respectfully.
Keith
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