I don't speak for the site....

[maytag]

http://www.fiatspider.com/f08/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18173

Damn I get tired of all of the ignorant a**-holes on this site.

some of y'all are just lieing in wait for somebody to say something that you can argue with.
You don't offer any helpful advice, you don't express any words of encouragement or support to someone of differing abilities or resources... y'all just sit back and wait to pounce on those who DO.

There are many reasons why people come to this site... but I doubt any of them have to do with y'all (several of you) who like to pick on everyone, and make yourselves feel so important by besmirching everyone else.

Why don't you chime-in once in awhile with a friendly suggestion? or an "atta-boy" to a newbie turning his first wrench? (Even if it's the wrong direction!) Help each other out! there's a value to this forum, but if it becomes outweighed by the crap.... it won't last.

Again: I don't speak for the site. so if I'm outta line with this comment, then I'm sure someone will let me know and I can be on my way.

[azruss]

IMHO.......chill, dude!
with that said, you can now vamoos, amigo.


Seriously, most of the forum responses dance around the actual question asked and that is a good thing as much information comes thru this way. There is also the normal amount of good natured chiding. These seem to be common amongst all the fiat forums.
I cant say that i have ever read a thread where a newbie was seriously put down for not knowing what they are doing. most of us are sympathetic as we started out that way and have gone through the same growing pains.
From what i have read on current events responses, the fiat community plays very with the other children.
'nu said....i will now vamoos.

[4uall]

Sadly, there will never be a shortage of ignorant people. I find it funny that someone would slam one of the people who makes this forum a reality. That being said, I share your frustration however, people like this rarely change so I have not bothered with them as it would be a waste of my time & effort. I did recently chime in when a forum member was being a d**k That is what I like best about this site. Some of us rib each other & it is all in good fun, while even more have a vast wealth of knowledge and experience to share. DSTSS (don't sweat the small stuff)

[maytag]

so once again, it seems that my overly-passionate display of "can't we all just get along" has caused more offense than it fixed.

I don't know... I guess I'm not too good at this forum stuff.

I realize that some who are new have no idea what is behind the post, or the couple of individuals on the site who IMHO are the problem. And so my post comes off as "way out there". and who knows.... maybe they're right.

If there's one thing that I've been told on this forum more than anything else, it's "chill-out".

I'll keep trying to learn to do just that.
But for cripe's sake: would somebody else chime-in and defend the guys who are too gentlemanly to do so themselves?

[maytag]

Seriously, most of the forum responses dance around the actual question asked and that is a good thing as much information comes thru this way. There is also the normal amount of good natured chiding. These seem to be common amongst all the fiat forums.

yeah, you're right, most do. But that's not what I'm talking about. Did you look at the link? are you familiar with that guy's normal method of posting? IMO, there's nothing good-natured about it.

I cant say that i have ever read a thread where a newbie was seriously put down for not knowing what they are doing. most of us are sympathetic as we started out that way and have gone through the same growing pains.
From what i have read on current events responses, the fiat community plays very with the other children.
'nu said....i will now vamoos.

YEs, I agree with all of this too. What's strange is that somehow I made myself the bearer of ill-will here. I don't mean to. I mean to address what seems like a tone to some replies in some threads that is less than helpful, and more concerned with either attacking individuals, or showing us how smart they are and how stupid anyone who disagrees with them is.

there has got to be a way to disagree without people becoming dicks about it. but I suck at it, obviously.

I'm not gonna lie; I've got my car nearly completed, and not only have I not shared it here, I've actually removed many of my posts where I was starting to share progress, because of the offensive responses I received to the way I chose to do it. I've taken a road less traveled on many items, but I'll have what I think is a very unique car, with a reasonable build-quality, given the budget. But as much as I'd like to share it with some of y'all, I see no reason to do so in a way that allows the peanut-gallery to deride either what I've done or the manner in which I've done it. And no, I'm not talking about constructive criticism or helpful suggestions, or even curiosity as to "why". I'm all good with that.

[4uall]

don't let them win, I say f**k 'em I personally have enjoyed your posts and I would hate to see someone leave because someone else is being ignorant Fight the fight and just call the bastards out or better yet don't engage them at all. If all else fails get in your spider and drive off into the sunset without a care in the world because at the end of the day YOU live your life not them.

[spiderrey]

Maytag, Im in 100 percent agreement with you. Im currently on other sites. They lay out site guidelines and dont put up with anyones crap going in any direction. Cross the line and your warned. Cross the line again and your gone. Some sites even bump you if you bump the line. These sites are always very pleasant sites to visit. Dont let it get to you. I learned for the most part thats the best way.

[azruss]

I'm not gonna lie; I've got my car nearly completed, and not only have I not shared it here, I've actually removed many of my posts where I was starting to share progress, because of the offensive responses I received to the way I chose to do it.

I, too, am "customizing" my spider and have got lots of negative feedback on it. For the most part, the Fiat community is a very conservative group and have very narrow boundaries as to what is acceptable modifications. I am definitely outside of those boundaries.
I, for one, would love to see what you are doing with your car. If this group is too harsh, then send me a PM...I promise to only bash you in private (just kidding)

I have a thick enough skin to handle the negative. I also learn much about our fellow forum members from their response. It is also an early warning of how the car will be received out on the streets. At the same time, i enjoy the dialog generated by building a frankenfiat, as it gives me a opportunity to talk about why i did the mods. Perhaps then others will appreciate why it did it my way.

I

[courtenay]

My preference is to keep my car as stock as reasonably possible - 'cause I like it that way and because I don't have the mechanical skills to do anything else.
However, while I may not like what others do to their cars, I would certainly not criticize them for doing whatever the hell they want to them. After all, it's their car and their money. Frankly I enjoy seeing some of the imaginative things people do.
And Maytag, I too get very tired of the folks who drop in here like seagulls, drop a bit of s**t and leave...
Cheers,
Bruce

[TX82FIAT]

I think all the work done on these cars is good work. I can't really say anyone has pissed me off. Hopefully, I've not pissed anyone off. It is funny how you don't know what you don't know until someone chimes in. It seems I always get in over my head when working on the car and then manage to get a breath of fresh air from the forum. In fact, I bet a lot of us love these cars not only for the style and fun but the challenge.

Personally, I'd just like to say thanks to everyone that has helped me. Hopefully I've been able to help others from some of the things I've learned. No flower power here! No need to tip toe around. Speak your mind in a very straightforward manner and most reasonable folks will appreciate the feedback. A little friendly banter is a good thing. It is human nature for people to occasionally rub people the wrong way.

It's not all sunshine with the top down! Just enjoy the good.

[spiderrey]

Id also like to track your build Maytag. My point of view on custom mods is that they make the car interesting if tastefully done. I see what other peo[ple do and it tells me what works and what dosent. Then again, I m more of the type that tries to go down my own road.

[RRoller123]

Just a study in human nature I think! Humans are disputaceous creatures, prone to both irritation and irritating. I couldn't care less if someone doesn't LIKE what I've done to my Spider.. so what? I think I have somewhat learned to be like a duck and let it roll off the back. But if I have made a technical mistake then I would like a Polite, respectful discussion about it. To me that is the area where the discussions tend to get tricky, as there are occasionally some preconceived notions that tend to cloud the physics of the issue. It reminds me of my days spent as a Mfg Engineer, introducing new products from the Design Engineers. Whooooo boy, glad I learned not to let it bother me. I think.... <{:^)

[maytag]

...But if I have made a technical mistake then I would like a Polite, respectful discussion about it.

aha....
now yer feelin' me.

With some guys, there's no thought to the Polite or respectful part of this.
And to make matters worse: they're frequently the same guys who equate their personal distaste for a mod or its' execution with a technical mistake that must be corrected.
But this is really what set me off.... this is more of an underlying irritant.
What really set me off was the helicopter-like predatory attack against somebody who is very cautious of not blurring the line between vendor and moderator. Again.

Anyway. It's hours later, I'm cooled-off. I'll admit to being a hot-head on occasion... just ask Daniel. (sort of an inside joke about me poppin' off at him last week.... ) There are many times when I speak (or type) before the filter can get into play. in my opinion, that means some things get said that need sayin'...... but not always in the most politically-correct fashion.

For the most part, I really appreciate this forum and the members. I disagree with some, but try to do so respectfully. Magic-wrench and I are probably brothers-from-another-mother, the way we disagree about nearly everything. But I think we're usually civil about it, and I respect where he's coming from, even in my disagreement.

anyway: back to our regularly-scheduled programming, eh?

[124ADDHE]

Great thread Maytag; sometimes standing up for your rights means taking a bullet

The world would actually be a pretty boring place if it was all shunshine, butterflies and lollipops, wouldnt it?

[opus10583]

there has got to be a way to disagree without people becoming dicks about it. but I suck at it, obviously.