I need help, FI problem - I think

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adrians
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Your car is a: 1981 Spider Turbo - missing the turbo
Location: Sydney - Australia

I need help, FI problem - I think

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HI,

Car won't start !
Yesterday I decide to clean down the engine bay including removing the air box etc ... and the air intake hose/chamber ( this car got a large copper pipe as part of the setup - AFS to TPS ).
I sprayed the Throttle body with cleaner inside and out and removed a mountain of build up !
I was also trying (without success ) to remove the heater pipes to create a by-pass, it's hot in Sydney at the moment.
During the cleaning I discovered a green wiring with a baklite connection hanging loose at the rear of the block on the exhaust side. The baklite cracked up the minute I touched it !.
Now the car won't start, engine cranks, battery has 12.4 volts, ignition coil sparks against the block.
I working on the assumption that the green cable may go to the oxygen sensor ( lambda), however I can't locate the sensor anywhere on the exhaust manifold..... I must be going crazy ! ! !

Any help would be appreciated, and a photo of the sensor location !
THE FLEET
2014 Abarth "SS"
1981 Spider 2000 (Legend Industries Turbo - minus the Turbo)
1978 X1/9 1.3 Dual IDF 40's, Coupe Cam, Allison Header/Exhaust
1971 128 Sedan 1100cc, Coupe Cam/Headers
Motokhana Special 127 rear engined Rail 903cc
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ga.spyder
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Your car is a: 1982 Spider 2000
Location: Blairsville ,Ga.

Re: I need help, FI problem - I think

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The green wire does go to the lamda probe.It is located on pass side exaust manifold ans should be in plain view.For F.I. help go to http://www.artigue.com/fiat. He has a great online manual that covers everything and is really easy to understand. I printed the whole thing and keep it on my workbench! Good Luck Craig
Craig Nelson

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adrians
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Your car is a: 1981 Spider Turbo - missing the turbo
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Re: I need help, FI problem - I think

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Ga.spyder,

Thanks for the info, It turns out I'm not stupid, the Lambda sensor was removed when the car was converted from LHD Turbo to RHD FI, so the new manifold does have the opening to accept the sensor !, another person has suggested the oxygen sensor input been hardwired to fool the ECU.

Thanks
THE FLEET
2014 Abarth "SS"
1981 Spider 2000 (Legend Industries Turbo - minus the Turbo)
1978 X1/9 1.3 Dual IDF 40's, Coupe Cam, Allison Header/Exhaust
1971 128 Sedan 1100cc, Coupe Cam/Headers
Motokhana Special 127 rear engined Rail 903cc
So Cal Mark

Re: I need help, FI problem - I think

Post by So Cal Mark »

it sounds like the PO installed a resistor to use a fixed value for the O2 sensor. Your car will run fine without the lamda sensor. If you washed the engine, I'd take apart all of the FI connectors and dry them and insulate them with dielectric grease. I'd also open the dizzy and look for moisture there
adrians
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Re: I need help, FI problem - I think

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Thanks Mark,

'FiatNut' suggested I remove the spark plugs, clean them and reset, I did this and after a bit of cranking the engine kicked over and has been running ok since, however in runs very rich !! , I now suspect because of the oxygen sensor bypass !

Thanks again
THE FLEET
2014 Abarth "SS"
1981 Spider 2000 (Legend Industries Turbo - minus the Turbo)
1978 X1/9 1.3 Dual IDF 40's, Coupe Cam, Allison Header/Exhaust
1971 128 Sedan 1100cc, Coupe Cam/Headers
Motokhana Special 127 rear engined Rail 903cc
So Cal Mark

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Post by So Cal Mark »

the biggest factor in mixture is the temp sensor in the water outlet. On the Fiat FI the lamba sensor doesn't do much
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