Diff

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fiat218
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Re: Diff

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i want torque :oops:
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
ROOK1

Re: Diff

Post by ROOK1 »

So I just bought a pumpking from fiat124FL (thanks) and I need to know how easy/hard it will be to install. Here is how I figure the process goes.

1. Lift car and remove wheels.
2. Remove brakes.
3. Remove axels (not sure how but assuming there is a retainer)
4. Remove drive shaft
5. Drain diff fluid and remove pumpkin

Instalation is the reverse.

Any tips? How hard are axel seals to change? Not leaking, should I even replace?

Thanks.

Chris
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divace73
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Your car is a: 1980 Fiat 124 Spider Silver
Location: Sydney, Australia

Re: Diff

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ROOK1 wrote:So I just bought a pumpking from fiat124FL (thanks) and I need to know how easy/hard it will be to install. Here is how I figure the process goes.

1. Lift car and remove wheels.
2. Remove brakes.
3. Remove axels (not sure how but assuming there is a retainer)
4. Remove drive shaft
5. Drain diff fluid and remove pumpkin

Instalation is the reverse.

Any tips? How hard are axel seals to change? Not leaking, should I even replace?

Thanks.

Chris
It does depend on which diff you have, the front entry (I think they are called banjo) are easier to simply swap over, the later diff with the plate on the back (I think they call them Salisbury) is a little harder and all has to be reset porperly....so I am told, having that dilemma with my spider.
I have currently a 3.4 ratio that was out of a late model 132/argenta, super stong and great for the freeway, not so good for the track..
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fiat218
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Re: Diff

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what rear end would u need with a build up engine, ?
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
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124JOE
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Your car is a: 1978 124 fiat spider sport 1800
Location: SO. WI

Re: Diff

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i have a4.10 and want a 3.90
if your going for big hp you want lower
idk whats out there but i would like more first gear
when you do everything correct people arent sure youve done anything at all (futurama)
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124ADDHE
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Your car is a: 1974 Spider Amalgamation with C40 Solex
Location: Salmon Arm, BC, Canada

Re: Diff

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Even with the 3.90, first gear is only used on hills :( I really too wish the tranny was geared better, especially more of an overdrive in 5th!
Regards,
Keith Cox
1973 124 Spider
1973 John Deere 500c backhoe
1987 Jaguar VDP
2013 passat tdi
2015 cherokee
ROOK1

Re: Diff

Post by ROOK1 »

I know in the 4X4 world tire size affects the gear ratio, so I am sure it will do the same here. So some of the people that want lower revs or higher gears may want to consider taller tires. Here is a calculator to give you an idea.

http://www.rocky-road.com/calculator.html

Tire size in inches can be found at the bottom of this page.

Sorry folks. I'm backwards. This shows what gears you need to go back to stock. So i guess you could reverse compute this.

Here is the link we need. This will calculate effective ration with tire size changes.

http://www.ajdesigner.com/phpgear/gear_ ... _ratio.php

Now back to the second question at hand. Is this a pretty straight forward removal and install? I am not a mechanic, but I am competent at working on cars. Is there anything I need to be made aware of?

Thanks for the help.
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124JOE
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Re: Diff

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yes so if i could get some 15"rims and taller tires it would give more low end
and increse top end
when you do everything correct people arent sure youve done anything at all (futurama)
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Re: Diff

Post by 124ADDHE »

I bet your biggest problem will be the brake lines, they are a bear to remove, if still the stockers; I just had to take a pipe wrench to the damn center rubber flex section, I heat shocked it 5 times with the torch and water, would not free up. ...out comes the big tools :twisted:
Regards,
Keith Cox
1973 124 Spider
1973 John Deere 500c backhoe
1987 Jaguar VDP
2013 passat tdi
2015 cherokee
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124JOE
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Re: Diff

Post by 124JOE »

yes those rubber lines
i did mine like 8 years ago
but its all crotion,i use tranz fluid"3 days"
big vice grips and heat

also you can pull the cilp and pull it out to not hurt the body

thems the brakes

thanks all for the info on the Diff :D
when you do everything correct people arent sure youve done anything at all (futurama)
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Re: Diff

Post by ROOK1 »

I am getting ready to swap out the diff and I realized I do not ahve a gasket. After looking online to order one, I am unable to find one to order. Do I need one for this project?
vandor
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Your car is a: 1971 124 Spider
Location: Texas, USA

Re: Diff

Post by vandor »

Here's a gasket:

http://stores.auto-ricambi.net/-strse-1 ... Detail.bok

BTW, the axles are held in by snaprings. Sometimes these can be a bear to remove. You need large 90 degree snapring pliers, or small 90 degree needle nose pliers, and a small flatblade screwdriver. As you compress the snapring with the pliers, you use the screwdriver to pry to other side out.
Sometimes it takes me 10 seconds, sometimes 10 minutes to get one out.
Csaba
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'17 124 Abarth, silver
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Re: Diff

Post by ROOK1 »

Thanks Csaba. I will be placing an order for this along with a few other things soon.
redek

Re: Diff

Post by redek »

If you need an extra set of hands, let me know.
ROOK1

Re: Diff

Post by ROOK1 »

Will do. I would like to see you Spider sometime. Feel free to set up a photo album on the USA site.
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