Smog cert for car with headers? Legal?

[surfingfreeman]

Hello All
I have an 82' FI spider that I am thinking about putting a new exhaust on which would include a fancy header, but want to make sure I won't be hassled by the smog inspector....im in California, the bay area. Thanks
Mike

[SLOSpider]

It will need have a CARB # and label on the headers for it to be legal and pass smog in Ca.

[So Cal Mark]

We have many sets of headers on Calif cars and not a single one has been kicked from a smog check. In my experience, as long as all of the emission equipment is installed and functioning the smog techs are happy.

[SLOSpider]

Not the case I have seen in recent years. By California law it MUST have a CARB issued number to be in compliance. Installing or selling without can come with some hefty fines not to mention the fact youll need to put your stock exhaust back on once flagged. Anything cat back is ok but cat forwards require carb approval.

[surfingfreeman]

SLO do you work for Air Quality, your reply has that "ring" to it?

[SLOSpider]

lol, No they could not pay me enough for that gig. I have worked with smog rules and regulations for 25+ years managing shops, performing smogs, repairs etc. I do work in the petroleum business now dealing with oil and fuel sales including bulk fuel tanks and I get to see another side of CARB and their silliness on this topic as well. Im for tail pipe testing only. It should not matter what equipment is on the car as long as the tail pipe readings are good. If I make a career change here soon Ill be the one guy you dont have to worry about me looking to see if your cat is still on your car

[surfingfreeman]

So much for my detective skills LOL yeah I'd imagine it must be a difficult/thankless job working on air quality issues, but a crucial and much needed one nonetheless. Not to open a barrel of worms, but I think our oil dependence may in our lifetime become a thing of the past. I'm imagining much of detroits come back will be contingent on it's ability to compete in the electric car arena, and writ large, the US's ability to better lead the way in R&D of new green technologies. Thanks for your thoughts on my exhaust question.
Mike

[Zmatt]

In Kentucky we don't care. It has it's pros an cons. Pros, you can have an almost non existent exhaust line with a muffler shoved on and drive it. As long as it's not too loud. The badside, rednecks run really rich turbo diesels and "smoke" people all the time.

[SLOSpider]

Do they have the Rebel flag in the back window too....

[Zmatt]

Do they have the Rebel flag in the back window too....

some, not all. They really are the new ricer around here. Raised cummins turbo diesels with big "diesel performance" stickers on the side. They have their exhaust re-routed through the bed into a stack, sorta like a semi truck, but totally pointless. A lot of the cut a hole in the bed to place it,. so they make the truck less practical. it's not like they every pull anything to begin with. One of my buds was followed around town until they could smoke him out on an exit last week. since then he starts filming every modified truck in case they do smoke him and he will turn it over to the cops. Hopefully the trend will die out. The best defense is to out run them. None of the trucks are actually that fast,

here are some fools in the wild.

[htchevyii]

Sorta like that around here, I saw one pull up next to a pedestrian at the mall and smoke him out the other day. CA is now requiring smog checks on some diesels so some of these guys are going to be screwed. I'm all for souped up rigs, but I'll be glad to see these guys toned down a bit and they are so frigging loud!

[Zmatt]

criticizing people for modifying cars with not practical benefit would by hypocritical, but these guys are generally jerks. I see these trucks, and really any large truck that doesn't spend it's time doing it's intended job as a large phallic compensation device. I have never driven a truck that was "fun". And I have never known a fast diesel truck. The only trucks I have seen do well on the drag strip are either gas and boosted or have American V8s in them. These diesel guys purposely run super rich so they can blow smoke. I don't think I have to explain everything that is wrong about that form a technical standpoint and just from a how to act around other people standpoint.

[SLOSpider]

Yeah that exhaust I just dont get. Haven't seen any of the "SMOKE" jobs around here but I would bet they are injecting raw diesel in the exhaust to smoke on a push of a button. I dont think that would last but once around here. And I am one to have the facts concerning any laws or regulations so here it is for California:

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/d ... mquery.php

Exempted parts are add-on or modified parts that have undergone an ARB engineering evaluation. If the part or modification is shown to not increase vehicle emissions, it is granted an exemption to emission control system anti-tampering laws. This exemption is called an Executive Order (EO) and allows the modification to be installed on specific emission controlled vehicles. Every Executive Order part or modification has an assigned number that can be verified by Smog Check stations, BAR Referee stations, or by the ARB.

Please view our Products in Progress List which contains add-on and modified parts for diesel vehicles that have pending exemption applications with ARB. Products on the list will not be cause for a vehicle failing Smog Check even in the absence of an EO.

Also, please view our current list of aftermarket catalytic converters that are compliant with new regulations that became effective January 1, 2009. If you have any questions, please call (800) 242-4450.

DEFINITIONS

Air Cleaner Modification - modifications to the air cleaner and/or its housing.
Air Filter/Intake Modification - open element air filters, modifications to the air flow intake tract, heat risers/preheat ducts.
Engine Modification/Engine Change - kits that include multiple engine modifications such as new cylinder heads and camshafts, or boring and stroking; engine changes using an engine certified for another late model vehicle application, with additional engine modifications .
Exhaust System/Exhaust Modification - exhaust manifold, exhaust headers, exhaust pipes, crossover pipes, etc.
Fuel Line Modification - devices designed to attach to or be inserted in the fuel line.
Exemptions are no longer required for magnetic devices that are attached to the exterior of the fuel line; these devices have been determined to have no effect on emissions.
Fuel System Modification - fuel filters, gas caps, pressure regulators.
Intake/Exhaust System - a kit that includes both intake and exhaust components.

[narfire]

Bloo.. e'll. Canada sometimes being a few years behind in things.. is this what we have to look forward to
Diesel trucks are popular here, most for work purposes with few jacked up so they can tip over easier

[77SportSpider]

Had a neighbor in college who had white truck with a giant stack like that. Funny part was when it rained in the middle of the night and he went to start it the next morning... White truck suddenly wasn't so white. When he knew it was gonna rain he'd put a grocery bag over the stack with a rubber band. To each their own I suppose