Grandpa's '78 Spider Revived In SoCal
Grandpa's '78 Spider Revived In SoCal
My name is Martin and I have recently came into possession of my first car project - a 1978 Fiat 124 Spider. The car was my grandfathers vehicle and had been sitting in my grandmothers garage for about 13 years. She had received offers on the car over the years and never had the heart to sell it.
For years, the Fiat has sat in her garage and as well in the back of my mind until I recently decided to take the initiative to begin restoring grandpa's Spider. When I approached her about the car she gave it to me, said grandpa loved the car and that she knew I would someday want to 'fix it up."
I've had the vehicle for about 3 weeks and have gotten the car to start (new battery, removed old gas, oil and filter change, and some light knocking on the carburetor for needle, fixed automatic choke in and out on carb and choke water lines, flushed radiator and thermostat check, rebuilt all brake calipers, and replaced brake shoes).
That was my first goal - to be able to move the car in and out of the garage. I've actually got to take a few laps around the block to check the brakes which was a cool acomplishment. My grandmother lives a couple of houses down from my family and she immediately recognized the sound of the car when I started doing laps.
I didn't realize the alure of these vehicles until I had it out of the garage and in the driveway for a couple of hours and noticed two cars that had slowed or stopped to check it out.
A couple of things I've quickly learned about working on this car. You can find parts, but not necessarily as quick as the afternoon you are working on your car. After checking the first rear brake, I tried to find a caliper rebuild kit. After checking the local import shops the kit would take a couple of days to order. I remembered reading about Allison's Automotive somewhere in So Cal on the site - if he had em' maybe I could get them on Sat after an afternoon of little league games. As it happened, I caught Mark on his way out the door at 4:50 pm on a Friday eve and it just so happened that he was driving by my part of So Cal that evening. He was happy to meet me at the local Starbucks at 8:00 pm.
When I said, "I'll be wearing a black sweatshirt and hat." He replied, "Yeah, and I'll be the one walking in with two boxes of brake parts." Mark and his wife are two of the classiest and warmest persons you'll meet.
Next time, I'll order the parts I think I'll need ahead of time because chances are...I'll need them and won't be able to find them same day or same weekend for that matter.
Lesson number two - look for used parts, they're alot cheaper. I took a trip to the local wrecking yard JFTHOI and after searching the entire yard, and a pretty big one at that, I happened to come across a 1978 Fiat Spider that had been there for about 5 days. It looked like the Fiat locusts had already been there but there were still some great parts to be found. I think that this was like getting hit by lightning your first time in the rain because after that first wrecking yard search I have a feeling that Fiats don't show up alot and when they do, they're gone fast.
Lesson number three - working on a car like this your gonna need friends. I've gotten a tremendous amount of information from people posting great information to my posts. Shout out to Manoa Matt!
The last thing I've learned so far - post pics on your intro page. So here they are.
Peace! from Downey, CA.
Martin
The car could be described as a "65 footer". All lightcovers are still in good shape which is great because I've seen what the replacements cost. Being stored in a cramped garage for many years the body acquired many dents the worst of which can be seen on the front right quarter panel. Most weather striping for windows and doors will need to be replaced.
Overhead engine compartment. Engine has an oil leak that that really gets going after the car warms up.
Sideview engine compartment.
Interior has cracked dash, tears in driver seat, cracked and warped center console. Door panels have tears in the vinyl.
Top cover mechanics look and work good. I need to figure how to collapse it properly without force. Lucked out and found a replacement top in the trunk still in the box. Back seats have no tears and back seat side panels are in decent shape.
Front quarter panel. I've been told these wheels are aftermarket - look out for my post coming soon in WHEELS AND TIRES on how to clean the wheels up as the aluminum? is pretty dull and black paint is coming off the inside of the wheel 'spoke' type things.
Rear quarter panel.
It wouldn't be a Fiat without rust. All of this rust appears on the driver side door which I found a replacement for in grandpa's garage.
More door rust. What is that wide silver 'tracked' trim below the door? Does anybody know if it is OEM or aftermarket? It looks like this caused some rusting on the bottom panel it's attached to.
Photos hosted on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37089869@N03/
For years, the Fiat has sat in her garage and as well in the back of my mind until I recently decided to take the initiative to begin restoring grandpa's Spider. When I approached her about the car she gave it to me, said grandpa loved the car and that she knew I would someday want to 'fix it up."
I've had the vehicle for about 3 weeks and have gotten the car to start (new battery, removed old gas, oil and filter change, and some light knocking on the carburetor for needle, fixed automatic choke in and out on carb and choke water lines, flushed radiator and thermostat check, rebuilt all brake calipers, and replaced brake shoes).
That was my first goal - to be able to move the car in and out of the garage. I've actually got to take a few laps around the block to check the brakes which was a cool acomplishment. My grandmother lives a couple of houses down from my family and she immediately recognized the sound of the car when I started doing laps.
I didn't realize the alure of these vehicles until I had it out of the garage and in the driveway for a couple of hours and noticed two cars that had slowed or stopped to check it out.
A couple of things I've quickly learned about working on this car. You can find parts, but not necessarily as quick as the afternoon you are working on your car. After checking the first rear brake, I tried to find a caliper rebuild kit. After checking the local import shops the kit would take a couple of days to order. I remembered reading about Allison's Automotive somewhere in So Cal on the site - if he had em' maybe I could get them on Sat after an afternoon of little league games. As it happened, I caught Mark on his way out the door at 4:50 pm on a Friday eve and it just so happened that he was driving by my part of So Cal that evening. He was happy to meet me at the local Starbucks at 8:00 pm.
When I said, "I'll be wearing a black sweatshirt and hat." He replied, "Yeah, and I'll be the one walking in with two boxes of brake parts." Mark and his wife are two of the classiest and warmest persons you'll meet.
Next time, I'll order the parts I think I'll need ahead of time because chances are...I'll need them and won't be able to find them same day or same weekend for that matter.
Lesson number two - look for used parts, they're alot cheaper. I took a trip to the local wrecking yard JFTHOI and after searching the entire yard, and a pretty big one at that, I happened to come across a 1978 Fiat Spider that had been there for about 5 days. It looked like the Fiat locusts had already been there but there were still some great parts to be found. I think that this was like getting hit by lightning your first time in the rain because after that first wrecking yard search I have a feeling that Fiats don't show up alot and when they do, they're gone fast.
Lesson number three - working on a car like this your gonna need friends. I've gotten a tremendous amount of information from people posting great information to my posts. Shout out to Manoa Matt!
The last thing I've learned so far - post pics on your intro page. So here they are.
Peace! from Downey, CA.
Martin
The car could be described as a "65 footer". All lightcovers are still in good shape which is great because I've seen what the replacements cost. Being stored in a cramped garage for many years the body acquired many dents the worst of which can be seen on the front right quarter panel. Most weather striping for windows and doors will need to be replaced.
Overhead engine compartment. Engine has an oil leak that that really gets going after the car warms up.
Sideview engine compartment.
Interior has cracked dash, tears in driver seat, cracked and warped center console. Door panels have tears in the vinyl.
Top cover mechanics look and work good. I need to figure how to collapse it properly without force. Lucked out and found a replacement top in the trunk still in the box. Back seats have no tears and back seat side panels are in decent shape.
Front quarter panel. I've been told these wheels are aftermarket - look out for my post coming soon in WHEELS AND TIRES on how to clean the wheels up as the aluminum? is pretty dull and black paint is coming off the inside of the wheel 'spoke' type things.
Rear quarter panel.
It wouldn't be a Fiat without rust. All of this rust appears on the driver side door which I found a replacement for in grandpa's garage.
More door rust. What is that wide silver 'tracked' trim below the door? Does anybody know if it is OEM or aftermarket? It looks like this caused some rusting on the bottom panel it's attached to.
Photos hosted on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37089869@N03/
Last edited by Martin101 on Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:40 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Grandpa's 1978 Spider Revived In SoCal
Welcome! Great story about your car. I'm not too far away from you in S Orange County.
PM me your email address and I will add you to the list for future drives and other get-together of our SoCal Fiat gang!
Jim
PM me your email address and I will add you to the list for future drives and other get-together of our SoCal Fiat gang!
Jim
1980 FI Spider
Re: Grandpa's 1978 Spider Revived In SoCal
HI Martin,
Pretty cool.
Did your granddad buy the car new?
It is great to know the full history on the car. You are going to have fun.
Pretty cool.
Did your granddad buy the car new?
It is great to know the full history on the car. You are going to have fun.
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Re: Grandpa's 1978 Spider Revived In SoCal
Nice job on getting a family heirloom back in action.
Your rims are aftermarket and were quite popular at the time. I have a set. They are 100+ Octavo rims. They are not hub centric, use tapered Fiat standard lugs.
The color scheme on these is what was standard. The outer rim was machined and semi polished then clearcoated as are the face of the ribs and the dished hub area. The black inner is relatively rough and not always as smooth as you may want as it is the original unfaced casting. The way your rims are now is the original color scheme, although faded.
I would leave the inner rib area as is and remove the clear coat over the machined face areas using emory cloth on a stiff rubber pad while the rim is spinning. You should step through several grades to get to a polished face once again. Then clear coat the complete rim.
I have a set of these and had them sandblasted which was a big mistake. They are good rims which require stick on weights.
Keep us up to date on your progress.
#22 on the following list with a non original color scheme:
http://www.sportssix.info/wheels.php
Your rims are aftermarket and were quite popular at the time. I have a set. They are 100+ Octavo rims. They are not hub centric, use tapered Fiat standard lugs.
The color scheme on these is what was standard. The outer rim was machined and semi polished then clearcoated as are the face of the ribs and the dished hub area. The black inner is relatively rough and not always as smooth as you may want as it is the original unfaced casting. The way your rims are now is the original color scheme, although faded.
I would leave the inner rib area as is and remove the clear coat over the machined face areas using emory cloth on a stiff rubber pad while the rim is spinning. You should step through several grades to get to a polished face once again. Then clear coat the complete rim.
I have a set of these and had them sandblasted which was a big mistake. They are good rims which require stick on weights.
Keep us up to date on your progress.
#22 on the following list with a non original color scheme:
http://www.sportssix.info/wheels.php
Karl
1969 Fiat 850 Sports Coupe
1970 Fiat 124 Sports Coupe
1985 Bertone X1/9
1969 Fiat 850 Sports Coupe
1970 Fiat 124 Sports Coupe
1985 Bertone X1/9
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Re: Grandpa's 1978 Spider Revived In SoCal
The chrove covers on your rocker pannels are "rocker guards", aftermarket. rusty rocker pannels arent a problem, the pannel bolts/screws on and off, replacements are available in steel and fiberglass.
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son has 78 spider
75 spider , 6 Lancia Scorpions, 2018 Abarth Spider, 500X wifes, 500L 3 82 Zagatos. 82 spider 34k original miles, 83 pininfarina, 8 fiat spider parts cars
son has 78 spider
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Re: Grandpa's '78 Spider Revived In SoCal
Hi Martin, welcome to the forum. You just missed a great get together of us SoCal Fiaters. We had a run up in the hills on Mullholland Dr. and ended up down at the park in Malibu. And Mark was there!
We had a special treat. Denise (mdrburchette) was visiting from No. Carolina with her sister, so a lot of us got to meet the lady that has the car voted "Best Spider in North America".
You'll have to join us on future runs.
Congratulations on getting 'Gramps' car up and running. I'll bet your Grandmother was very pleased.
Ron
We had a special treat. Denise (mdrburchette) was visiting from No. Carolina with her sister, so a lot of us got to meet the lady that has the car voted "Best Spider in North America".
You'll have to join us on future runs.
Congratulations on getting 'Gramps' car up and running. I'll bet your Grandmother was very pleased.
Ron
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Re: Grandpa's '78 Spider Revived In SoCal
Welcome Martin. Sounds like you're a quick learner and you've got a good car for your restoration. I bet Grandma can't wait for you to get it road worthy so you can take her for a spin.
1972 124 Spider (Don)
1971 124 Spider (Juan)
1986 Bertone X19 (Blue)
1978 124 Spider Lemons racer
1974 X19 SCCA racer (Paul)
2012 500 Prima Edizione #19 (Mini Rossa)
Ever changing count of parts cars....It's a disease!
1971 124 Spider (Juan)
1986 Bertone X19 (Blue)
1978 124 Spider Lemons racer
1974 X19 SCCA racer (Paul)
2012 500 Prima Edizione #19 (Mini Rossa)
Ever changing count of parts cars....It's a disease!
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Re: Grandpa's '78 Spider Revived In SoCal
Great story. And don't wait, if the car is now moving on its own power and stops well, you need to take your Grandma for a ride.
Good looking car. Don't loose those wheels, they look kick a* for that car. Keep us posted on the progress.
No sure if you have been told this, but we love a lot of photos Keep them coming.
Good looking car. Don't loose those wheels, they look kick a* for that car. Keep us posted on the progress.
No sure if you have been told this, but we love a lot of photos Keep them coming.
Drive Safe!
Wachuko
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Wachuko
1981 Fiat Spider Progress thread
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Re: Grandpa's '78 Spider Revived In SoCal
Thanks everyone. I feel that I've been indoctronated into FiatAnonymous. The road trip with Denise looked like lots of fun; although after searching the board, I couldn't find any pictures of the "the best Spider in North America." From what I've read in another post, I'm going to assume "the best Spider in North America" has to be an '82 - but let's not rehash that here.
As for getting grandma into the Fiat - we had better be going to be in a parade because she isn't going to mess her hair up for a ride around the block.
Peace! Martin
As for getting grandma into the Fiat - we had better be going to be in a parade because she isn't going to mess her hair up for a ride around the block.
Peace! Martin
Re: Grandpa's '78 Spider Revived In SoCal
Hi Martin,
Welcome to the site. Looks like you got some fun ahead of you. I also have a 78. If you need the front fender flares to fix the rust. I have a set. $40+ shipping
Welcome to the site. Looks like you got some fun ahead of you. I also have a 78. If you need the front fender flares to fix the rust. I have a set. $40+ shipping
Re: Grandpa's '78 Spider Revived In SoCal
Thats an awesome story. Its always sooo much better when its part of the family and can bring back memories. Thats exactly what my corvette does for me. Welcome to the site and it doesn't look to bad. A little TLC and she'll be a diamond again!
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Re: Grandpa's '78 Spider Revived In SoCal
Actually, you'll be shocked to know the best Fiat Spider in North America is a 72 model....you didn't know any better so you are forgiven.Martin101 wrote: I couldn't find any pictures of the "the best Spider in North America." From what I've read in another post, I'm going to assume "the best Spider in North America" has to be an '82 - but let's not rehash that here.
I just realized I don't have any good pics of that weekend. Shame on me!
1972 124 Spider (Don)
1971 124 Spider (Juan)
1986 Bertone X19 (Blue)
1978 124 Spider Lemons racer
1974 X19 SCCA racer (Paul)
2012 500 Prima Edizione #19 (Mini Rossa)
Ever changing count of parts cars....It's a disease!
1971 124 Spider (Juan)
1986 Bertone X19 (Blue)
1978 124 Spider Lemons racer
1974 X19 SCCA racer (Paul)
2012 500 Prima Edizione #19 (Mini Rossa)
Ever changing count of parts cars....It's a disease!