cracked flex disk

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narfire
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Your car is a: 1980 124 spider
Location: Naramata B.C.

cracked flex disk

Post by narfire »

Reading the new members section, it's great to see more and more people getting involved with the fiats.
If one does not know the maintenance history its been recomended the belt be changed out,thats a given as well as the rubber bits on the car,hoses, fuel lines,perhaps brake lines and the flex disk.
While a 72 is in the bodyshop,I'm going over the mechanical stuff the best of my ability and changing things out.
Took the old flex disk offImage

Looks just fine,but going to replce it anyway. I took a screwdriver and gave the thing a bit of a twist and cracks were evident.Image
I don't think they are really bad, but with time will get bigger/deeper and finally let go.
I remember a member posting some photos showing the aftermath of a failed disk.. not nice.
It's not too difficult a thing to change out,a couple of 17 mm wrenches is what you need.
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MNspiderman

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Post by MNspiderman »

nice photos
dozy

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Post by dozy »

I am getting myself ready for this (once I finally buy)

I have two questions

1) are these interchangeable among all the years? AKA - can I just buy myself one now to have it when I guy the car (in case it needs it before I drive it home?)

2) has anyone posted a guide with photos on how to change this? I read the guide on eBay, but blame it on me being ESL, but I cannot follow his sentences - no matter how hard I try. I am also very visual person - if I just see someone remove it, it will imprint and i will be able to do it - but with only verbal direction - I am uneasy ... (help?)

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narfire
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Your car is a: 1980 124 spider
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Post by narfire »

1: yeup all interchangable,available from most/all vendors,They will likely ask for the year as then they will have a record of your car.

2: I'll pm you for what I did to get the thing off.
80 FI spider
72 work in progress
2017 Golf R ( APR Stg. 1)
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Tango

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Post by Tango »

Would you mind sharing that with me as well? I will almost certainly be doing mine over the winter as well.

Tim
Brian

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Post by Brian »

It's not that big a deal really but it could turn into one once you get to looking around. When I got under there, the flex disk wasn't so bad but the center bearing support was shot. The most important thing to remember is that you DON"T take the metal strap off that donut until it is in and bolt down tight. After that, pry it off carefully so you don't destroy it. You might need it again if for some reason you need to take if off again (like I did when I didn't torque the nut properly after installing the new center bearing).

Be careful, take your time and make sure the grooves on the flanges line up with the square protrusions on the disk when you're bolting it down.

I did take a few pics though I'm not sure how much help they will be . . . http://www.bassler.us/spider/?fn=6
adrians
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Your car is a: 1981 Spider Turbo - missing the turbo
Location: Sydney - Australia

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Post by adrians »

A helpful hint when change the flex disk .....

You'll find that when you try to remove the 6 bolts, some of them will hit the back on the gearbox because of the length of the bolts.

Assume here the gearbox is in neutral.

What you need to do is : Jack up the rear of the car on one side and rotate one rear wheel one sixth of a turn, the flex disk will rotate and you can remove the bolt easily.
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ventura ace

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Post by ventura ace »

Brian wrote:The most important thing to remember is that you DON"T take the metal strap off that donut until it is in and bolt down tight. After that, pry it off carefully so you don't destroy it. You might need it again if for some reason you need to take if off again
How would you get the metal strap off, if you don't cut it? It would be a real bear to try to slide it all the way down the drive shaft, over the center pillow block, etc. The only practical way is to cut the thing, unless I'm not seeing something.

Here's a few things I do to take the flex disc on and off in short order:
1) Jack up the car from one side, as someone mentioned. This gives you room to get under the car, and allows one rear wheel to spin, which you need to do to spin the drive shaft. Put the tranny in neutral, and release the parking brake. Make sure the wheels on the ground are chocked to keep the car from rolling.

2) When under the car, you'll see a convenient place to insert wrenches on both ends of one of the bolts, somewhere around the 8:00 o'clock position of the donut. Turn the driveshaft a little if you need to, to get your easiest access. I usually use a wrench on one end, and a ratchet on the other end. I let the wrench turn until it bumps against something underneath the car to prevent it from turning any more, and keep turning the ratchet on the other end to loosen the bolt or nut.

3) When the nut is removed, the bolt may not want to come out very easily, because the donut is designed to expand. However it is very easy to take a little pry bar or big screwdriver, and use it as a wedge to nudge the rubber donut back inward towards its center. If you do this gently, you'll feel the sweet spot where the bolt is loose and it will slip right out. As you take the bolt out, note which direction it was pointed and through which yoke the bolt came from. You'll need to put them back the same way you took them out. This is important, since all the ones I've seen have 3 longer bolts and 3 shorter bolts. If the longer bolts are put in from the wrong end, the end sticking out will bump against the tranny, and you don't want that.

4) After you remove a bolt, then rotate the drive shaft to bring the next bolt into the same position for removal. Do this for all 6 bolts. If the drive shaft is hard to turn by hand, reach down and spin the rear wheel, it may be easier to turn.

5) When you get the bolts out, you'll need to push the drive shaft backwards a couple of inches (it will collapse in a sliding spline), so you can get the yoke out of the way for removing the donut. Put the new donut in place just the opposite of pulling the old one out.

6) Put all 6 bolts in the same way that they were removed. This job is made a little easier if the donut still has the metal band around it, but if not, no worries. Just use a prybar to nudge the donut in toward its center to allow the bolts to slip back in. I've put plenty of donuts in and out without the metal strap -- it's really not needed if you use a gentle prying action to compress the donut while sliding the bolt in. Torque each bolt to the manual specs, which I'm too lazy to look up right now. Rotate the driveshaft and check everything out to make sure that it rotates freely.

7) Make sure that you remove the metal strap if you haven't already done so. It will scare the crap out of you, and maybe do some damage when it finallly works its way off when you're driving down the back roads at 75 mph.
mdrburchette
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Post by mdrburchette »

7) Make sure that you remove the metal strap if you haven't already done so. It will scare the crap out of you, and maybe do some damage when it finallly works its way off when you're driving down the back roads at 75 mph.
Been there, done that! :mrgreen:
If you ever need to remove the donut, you can always buy a huge hose clamp to tighten around it. I keep an extra in the toolbox just for such an occasion.
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Post by Brian »

"How would you get the metal strap off, if you don't cut it?"

Mine had a tab on one end and a slot on the other. Once the donut was installed I was able to slide the strap back and "unlock" it by pulling the tab out of the slot. You can see it here:

http://www.bassler.us/spider/driveshaft ... 4_comp.jpg
ventura ace

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Post by ventura ace »

I see, Brian. Thanks for the explanation.

I still think that may be more effort than necessary. It's really easy to install / remove without the strap, with just a little persuasive push with a pry bar while you slip the bolts in and out.

Alvon
pope

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Post by pope »

More alternate auto terms

I like my donuts, glazed and with sprinkles.
I had a cracked flex disk in the small of my back, but its better now.
mbouse

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Post by mbouse »

Yes, Pope. but what about your guibo? :shock:

or is that Guibo Sarducci, your religious advisor ??
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