Oil Pan Banged Up, Rattling

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Post by BartusCompater »

IAP doesn't seem to have anything labeled as oil pump gasket, neither does it's listing for the oil pump lead to any specific gasket for it to be paired with. I thought I'd ask in case someone else knew that it was labeled differently. Is there a chance that IAP doesn't carry them?
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Post by lanciahf »

I don't think IAP sells the oil pump gasket separately from the Complete Engine Gasket kit. If you just want the oil pump gasket you will need to try Oberts or DiFatta.

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Call and make sure you get the correct oil pump gasket.
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Post by ventura ace »

I have a collection of various spare gaskets. I'll check tonight when I get home. Where would you like it sent? You can e-mail me at ventura_ace@juno.com.

Alvon
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Post by ventura ace »

I found an oil pump gasket, and it's not even used! Woooo hoooo! But . . . I don't have an oil pan gasket.
The OP gasket will go in the mail tomorrow.

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Post by BartusCompater »

That's fantastic, ace! It's almost overwhelming how helpful this forum has been. I hope to look for every opportunity I can to contribute back for all of the support I've gotten.

The oil pan gasket is already on its way from IAP so that's no problem.

Meanwhile that oil pan dent has been beaten out and I'm ready to throw it back on. I'll make sure to let everyone know whether or not everything is back in good condition once I get the chance reassemble everything.
royce71

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Post by royce71 »

I picked up an oil pump gasket at Vick auto, just call them they are extremely helpful.
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Post by BartusCompater »

Ace, I got the gasket today. Once again, thank you so much.

I began to chisel out the old oil pan gasket and noticed today that there's what appears to be a thin, partially broken rubber ring around where the oil pump shaft enters the engine. It looks like it's separate from the oil pump gasket because it's inlaid deeper as though the old gasket rested over it. Is this important? Can I just get one standard from schucks or something? It looks like a very basic ring. I just find it odd that my shop manual says to replace the oil pump gasket but says nothing about this little ring.

EDIT: Upon further inspection I've decided that this "ring" was just part of the gasket that had been stained black by oil. Never mind!
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Post by ventura ace »

My apologies, Dustin. I knew that there were different oil pumps for the different engines, but thought that they all had the same footprint and gasket. I guess not. I haven't ever had a 2.0L engine, so the accumulated extra parts I've got, including the gasket that I sent to you, would be for the 1.8L, 1.6L and 1.4L engines. Sorry for any delays I've caused you, and I'm glad you found what you need.

And thanks for the education.

Alvon
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Post by BartusCompater »

Got the oil pump gasket in the mail today, here's a photo of the 1.4-1.8L gasket side-by-side with the 2.0L gasket.

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I'll be getting up relatively early tomorrow to put everything back together!
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Good luck!!
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So I woke up on Friday, bought a box of medical gloves and got to work. It was oily and frustrating (installing the oil pump and pickup with the oil pan in place ARRGH) and took a very long time, but I did it. I took my time and I think I did a good job of making sure the gaskets were installed correctly and that all bolts were left nice and secure.

At the end of the day I filled up the oil and was absolutely ecstatic to have a working car again. I went back into the house from the garage to get my keys which I hadn't used for a long, long time. Well, I couldn't find them, and after tearing up the house, decided they must have been at my work.

I woke up the next morning, went to work to try and find my keys, but they weren't there. At this point I resigned myself to the fact that I wasn't going to find my keys again. This left me with a pretty big problem though: I didn't have a spare key. Instead, all I had was a key which had been snapped in half by the gentlemen at Grease Monkey who just couldn't figure out how to start the car. Luckily, the break was clean enough, and I was able to track down a kind locksmith who made me a copy for only two dollars!

I went home, once again, incredibly excited to get the car running. Stuck the new key in, and to my dismay, the ignition did not turn. Furthermore, while he was creating the copy which apparently did not work, he had LOST the small notched (important) part of my old broken key. :mrgreen:
I didn't really have any idea what to do, so I simply called the lock smith and told him that the key didn't work. He simply said that I should try dipping the key in some motor oil and wiggling it around in the ignition with some pliers. I didn't really see how this was going to help, but I was desperate, so I trusted the man.

I dipped the key in some spare oil, put it in my ignition, and with a pair of pliers began to wiggle back and forth. I wiggled it once or twice. Nothing happened. I wiggled a little bit harder. Still nothing. I wiggled a little bit harder, still nothing. I wiggled a little bit harder, really just praying at this point that my ignition would not break and that it would miraculously accept the key which it had been thus far intent on rejecting. Still nothing. I wiggled a little bit harder.

I heard a snapping sound.

I cursed.

I felt the key turn 180 degrees in the ignition, much further than normal.

I took the key out, inspecting it to see if it had been bent-- it wasn't. Something in the ignition must have broken.

I put the key back in, more maniacally desperate to start my car than before. I turned the key around, nearly a full 360 degrees. The electrical turned on. The engine started.

For a brief moment I was overjoyed. Then I saw the bright red oil light. Had it not faded away in a matter of seconds, I feel my heart would have spontaneously combusted.

That light did fade away though. So I opened my garage door, pulled the car out of my driveway into a strangely beautiful winter day in Washington, and drove into the sunset.

And lived happily ever after.

True story.
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Is the ignition switch acting normal now? It sounds like now if you loose the key you could turn it with a screw driver.
I don't know if I can believe this is a true story though. Drove into the sunset? Nah, towards the sunset maybe. :lol:
Glad to hear you're up and running.
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I haven't tried a screwdriver yet. Other than the fact that it takes so far to turn before starting, the ignition is acting normal.
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Wohooo! Congrats! I am glad it worked out for you! You'll probably find the keys now! 8)
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Great job! I'd be replacing that ignition switch while you can still turn it. It's impossible to get it out if it jams in the lock position again.
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