Fuel Injection Relay

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HeyHebi
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Fuel Injection Relay

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Been having some issues with the fuel pump and fuel injectors and chasing the wires lead me to a relay. was wondering if anyone happens to have the diagrams for the pins or knows how to test if the relay is bad, the specific model is 0332514121.
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Re: Fuel Injection Relay

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And would anyone happen to know where to find this relay in stock or solutions if it is a bad relay?
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Re: Fuel Injection Relay

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looks like That #0332514121 is this double Relay

Sorry, Don't know how to test it. The 4 pin and 5 Pin single relays are easy to test, but the Double Relay is more complicated.

I replaced my 42 yr. old questionable Double Relay with the new Solid State Double Relay From AUTORICAMBI
It wasn't cheap at $130 + $18 shipping =$147 but I think it's worth the peace of mind to replace an ancient old Mechanical/Electrical part with a new modern Solid State Part
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Re: Fuel Injection Relay

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Do a Google search for ( 0332514121 Double Relay ) there are many vendors who sell them

$51 https://bimmers.com/product/bosch/0332514121

$52 https://alleuro.com/Parts/Bosch/0332514121
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Re: Fuel Injection Relay

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From My Wiring Diagram Manual here is a picture of the Double Relay Schematic. Might help you to figure out how to test it. I'll try some tests today on my old one and see if I can figure it out too.

If you Right Click on these 2 images and open them in a New Tab you can Zoom In on it or Save it and Print it
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unfortunately My wiring Diagram Book has the Wiring Schematics chopped into no less than :roll: 58 single pages :evil: so It's a real mind scrambler to figure out how it's all connect. As you can see even the Double Relay (which is a solid one piece component) is even split into the 2 separate pictures I posted above
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Re: Fuel Injection Relay

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Here is a link to a Site I found where it Looks like a guy made a great post. Looks like he has the Magic Double Relay all figured out !

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewt ... p?t=362547

There have been several good articles explaining the function and operation of the double relay, most notably Ratwell's article “Double Relay Demystified” , http://www.ratwell.com/technical/DoubleRelay.html.
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Re: Fuel Injection Relay

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Here are 2 of the Schematic Pages for Double Relay and Injection/Fuel Pump, ECU etc ....

Right click on a picture and open it in a New Tab then you can save/enlarge, print etc.

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Re: Fuel Injection Relay

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Someone took the time to write a great test procedure for the FI dual relay in Mirafiori.com
You might have to join the site to access the document. Joining is free.
I think the relays themselves are pretty reliable, the female contacts that mate with the relay contacts do become loose and intermittent. Sometimes unplugging and plugging the relays cables in a few times fixes the issue.

Its under: "Guides and tips" and was posted July 20 2022
titled "FI double relay Bench Test and Repair"

Hope this helps
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Re: Fuel Injection Relay

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SpiderGuy wrote:Do a Google search for ( 0332514121 Double Relay ) there are many vendors who sell them

$51 https://bimmers.com/product/bosch/0332514121

$52 https://alleuro.com/Parts/Bosch/0332514121
Unfortunately, like most other listings I found, these are all out of stock and that seems to be the case almost everywhere except for a few custom made versions
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Re: Fuel Injection Relay

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SpiderGuy wrote:Here are 2 of the Schematic Pages for Double Relay and Injection/Fuel Pump, ECU etc ....

Right click on a picture and open it in a New Tab then you can save/enlarge, print etc.

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Luckily I've got all of these diagrams, but so far everything else seems really solid, haven't seen any other issues aside from what seems like it might just be a bad relay.
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Re: Fuel Injection Relay

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SpiderGuy wrote:Image

looks like That #0332514121 is this double Relay

Sorry, Don't know how to test it. The 4 pin and 5 Pin single relays are easy to test, but the Double Relay is more complicated.

I replaced my 42 yr. old questionable Double Relay with the new Solid State Double Relay From AUTORICAMBI
It wasn't cheap at $130 + $18 shipping =$147 but I think it's worth the peace of mind to replace an ancient old Mechanical/Electrical part with a new modern Solid State Part
I was looking at the autoricambi one. I've got a BMW specialist nearby that I'm considering asking to see if he happens to have any since I've also seen them using bosch but it feels like such a mixed bag. Most likely going to have to purchase it from there though
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