I need to start taking care of the front end of my car. Everything is original. The steering is a bit loose. Where should I start? Something simple. A few weekend projects. I don't have money to do A-arms right now, but any other suggestions would be great. I need to order some new lugs, so I would like to tack on a few extra parts for replacement. Eventually I want to replace everything. Or at least everything I can.
1981 FI model
And, many of you already know I've been having a rough time , so anything I can replace now to avoid issues later would be GREAT.
Front End Replacements and Steering Advice Needed
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Re: Front End Replacements and Steering Advice Needed
Grind the riviots off the ball joints if the A arm is god and install new all joints
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
Re: Front End Replacements and Steering Advice Needed
Some folks recommend replacing the whole a arm rather than go through that. I'm looking through parts right now. I'm guessing you ground off your's in lieu of replacing whole thing.
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Re: Front End Replacements and Steering Advice Needed
If there good,save the cash and replace the bushing
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
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Re: Front End Replacements and Steering Advice Needed
I did on one side, it was good and I had to replace the ball jointsjimmycakes401 wrote:Some folks recommend replacing the whole a arm rather than go through that. I'm looking through parts right now. I'm guessing you ground off your's in lieu of replacing whole thing.
Jim
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
East Grand Forks MN
1970 Fiat Spider BS1 ( FOR SALE
1969 124 AS Spider
2017 Abrath
2018 Alfa Romeo 4c Spider
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Re: Front End Replacements and Steering Advice Needed
Have you checked for fluid in the steering dampner and the steering box? My dampner was empty. Adding 90wt made the steering feel tighter and less backlash from rough pavement.
I recently rebuilt my front end. http://www.fiatspider.com/f08/viewtopic ... a&start=60
This is a job i would recommend you tackle all at once. If you can determine a faulty ball joint, bad wheel bearing, bushing that is causing your "looseness" , you could replace it. But there is alot of effort/time involved in jacking the car, pulling the wheels, compressing the springs, and removing the shocks just to get to that bj or bushing.
I recently rebuilt my front end. http://www.fiatspider.com/f08/viewtopic ... a&start=60
This is a job i would recommend you tackle all at once. If you can determine a faulty ball joint, bad wheel bearing, bushing that is causing your "looseness" , you could replace it. But there is alot of effort/time involved in jacking the car, pulling the wheels, compressing the springs, and removing the shocks just to get to that bj or bushing.
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Re: Front End Replacements and Steering Advice Needed
Thanks! I have not checked any of those fluids. Thanks! Will check those today.
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Re: Front End Replacements and Steering Advice Needed
This thread contains a link to an idler arm pull down, inspection and refill that maybe handy to know.
http://www.fiatspider.com/f08/viewtopic ... &sk=t&sd=a
http://www.fiatspider.com/f08/viewtopic ... &sk=t&sd=a
Re: Front End Replacements and Steering Advice Needed
Good link! I've got some reading to do on that. I have so much play though, I'm guessing somethings worn. I'll be poking around, moving things and see what's up. And now I can take a day and check out the idler etc... sweet.
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Re: Front End Replacements and Steering Advice Needed
As you know I've replaced just about the entire front end - and still have lots of steering wheel play but that is the steering box which I knew about from the beginning.
My 2 cents worth - if you see a bushing with a torn boot, replace it. And it's partner. as for A-arms - it is probably easier to replace the whole thing - but the ball joints are inexpensive and can be installed with a bit of work - you will save some money -depends on money vs time for you.
I wasn't aware of the damper fluid thing - something more for me to check. Also, I did my wheel bearings and there is still some growling - I don't like the design FIAT used for retaining the nuts on the front axles - my MGB used a castle nut with cotter a pin - 2 holes drilled thru the axle about 45 deg apart gave a lot ability to get the nut the right tension. Plus the nuts could be used over and over again. I am going to make this mod on my car when its up for winter work.
good luck with your project!
kbee00
My 2 cents worth - if you see a bushing with a torn boot, replace it. And it's partner. as for A-arms - it is probably easier to replace the whole thing - but the ball joints are inexpensive and can be installed with a bit of work - you will save some money -depends on money vs time for you.
I wasn't aware of the damper fluid thing - something more for me to check. Also, I did my wheel bearings and there is still some growling - I don't like the design FIAT used for retaining the nuts on the front axles - my MGB used a castle nut with cotter a pin - 2 holes drilled thru the axle about 45 deg apart gave a lot ability to get the nut the right tension. Plus the nuts could be used over and over again. I am going to make this mod on my car when its up for winter work.
good luck with your project!
kbee00
1980 Strada (crushed)
1982 Strada (parts for the 1980 then crushed)
1966 MGB (E-Prod race car - sold)
1968 MGB (Targa Newfoundland - totalled)
1979 Spider (current vintage restoration)
1972 Spider daily driver
1982 Strada (parts for the 1980 then crushed)
1966 MGB (E-Prod race car - sold)
1968 MGB (Targa Newfoundland - totalled)
1979 Spider (current vintage restoration)
1972 Spider daily driver