Turns over but won't fire (video). Need help diagnosing.

[fiasco]

The problems started a couple weeks ago. Each time I started it it took more and more tries before it would fire. Now it won't fire no matter how many tries I give it.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYFh4FlCIUk

Based on my observation while turning the key, it sounds like the starter engages and the engine seems to turn over once. You can see the pulleys turn in the video. Then it sounds like the starter keeps spinning, but the engine stops turning (you can see the pulleys stop turning in the video), and as a result it doesn't fire. Up until yesterday, after a few or several tries, it would eventually turn over a second time and fire up, and once started, it had no trouble continuing to run.

I'd love to hear some diagnosis thoughts. Thanks all!
-- se

[So Cal Mark]

possible that the starter drive broke, or broken teeth on the flywheel. Does it push start? If not, maybe the timing belt sheared some teeth

[fiasco]

possible that the starter drive broke, or broken teeth on the flywheel. Does it push start? If not, maybe the timing belt sheared some teeth

Thanks for the suggestions Mark. I had thought about the flywheel teeth possibility, but I'll check the starter shaft and timing belt as well. My garage jack broke, so getting under the car is waiting on a trip to Auto Zone to get a new jack. I'll report later this evening on what I find.

-- se

[fiasco]

So I got the car up on stands and crawled underneath. Can't find any evidence of broken teeth on the flywheel. Took out the starter, and don't see any obvious issues there. The shaft looks intact, and there don't seem to be any teeth missing (of course I don't know anything about starters, so I'm just guessing at what I can see). Timing belt also looked fine.



At this point, I'm not sure what else I can do on my own. I don't have any other ideas as to what to check, nor can I drive it up to Mark's shop for him to look at it. Taking a day off work to meet a tow truck here to take it up to Mark's shop is not an appealing idea.

Look for this car in the for sale section soon - I'm sure a non-operational '69 will attract lots of buyers.

--se

[So Cal Mark]

the starter drive can be broken internally, and you won't see any damage.

[fiasco]

Is there any way to tell if a starter is bad, or do I just have to buy another one and hope that was the problem?

[So Cal Mark]

the drive can be tested. The first thing to do is see if you can turn the drive by hand in both directions. It should only turn one way

[fiasco]

the drive can be tested. The first thing to do is see if you can turn the drive by hand in both directions. It should only turn one way

Here's the turn by hand test. What does this tell me?

http://youtu.be/Yhumi46Zg6M

[narfire]

Have you put 12V directly to it to see if the gear extends?

[fiat218]

buy a new one, u got it out,so get the one mark sells
Speaking of starters, it took 5 days to get mine,minus Sunday,
Should be here today

[fiasco]

Picked up a used starter from Mark today - hope to get it installed tonight and be back on the road in the morning.

Thanks Mark!!

-- se

[majicwrench]

Just watched first video, not sure it sounds like starter issue to me. Good luck, let us know.
Keith

[fiasco]

New (used) starter is in, and the car fired right up. +1 for Mark Allison! Thanks for your help.

The Fiasco has been spared from the For Sale forum for another day.

-- se

[So Cal Mark]

nailed it!