hey gang.
i finally ordered the full rebuild kit for my 34DMSA
anyone have any carb specific tips before i dig into it this weekend?
because, ive never rebuilt a carb. but ive made tons of plastic models. and they have to be identical... right?
haha!
im gonna blow this poor carb up.
carb fun
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Re: carb fun
I did my DMSA not too long ago.
There really isn't too much different to say about this carb than any other.
So most of my suggestions are general.
READ UP ALL YOU CAN BEFORE YOU START.
Knowledge is power. Go to Artigue's web site and get all you can.
http://www.artigue.com/fiat
His downloadable book, FIAT 124 Spider Engine Maintenance and Modification is invaluable!!!
This book will show you how to set the carb back to factory setting when you are putting it back together.
He also has PDF blow ups of many Fiat carbs, including the DMSA. Print them out and have it with you when you work.
Learn as much as you can before you start. Someone has probably been inside your carb before. Things may not always be done correctly.
TAKE LOTS OF PICTURES.
That is the biggest. You may need them as reference when trying to figure out which hole does this particular jet fit into.
TAKE YOUR TIME. THIS IS NOT A RACE.
If you get going too fast, you may forget to do something. Take your time to really see what is going on when you take it apart. Try to destroy as little as possible of the old gaskets when taking them out. They can be used to match up the new ones. Carb gaskets are easy to rip if you are not careful.
Watch carefully how the choke linkages go together.
The needles and jets need to be put back into the exact holes they came from.
Inspect all parts to make sure they are not cracked or broken.
Lots of pictures, right?
TAKE IT APART OVER A TRAY TO CATCH ANY LOOSE PARTS OR GUNK THAT IS INSIDE.
There are a couple of brass nipples that are fit into the inside of that carb. They be loose and fall out if you are not careful.
It is not fun looking around in the grass for them. (don't ask me how I know. ha ha)
USE A DUNK TANK TO CLEAN THE CARB.
You can get them for under $40 at any parts store. It looks like a gallon paint can with a little tray inside.
You can leave parts in there for hours to dissolve all of the bad stuff.
(This stuff will dissolve rubber o-rings so be sure not to put any in there.)
You CAN NOT use any kind of scraper or wire to clean the jets or needles. This will ruin them.
Only use the soaking material, spray carb cleaner, or compressed air.
Spray carb cleaners are nice but sometimes do not get out the all of the varnish, dirt, and rust that may be in there.
But you will use the spray carb cleaners after the dunk tank to blow away anything that is still left.
All of the pieces of the carb will not fit in that can. You are going to have to do it in batches.
Take notes to know what jet and needle go on which side of the carb. (Left, right, primary, secondary, upper, lower, etc)
You are taking your time, right?
CLEAN ALL SEALING SURFACES VERY WELL.
Use a razor or gasket scrapper to get all stuck gaskets off. Be VERY CAREFULL because the carb is made of aluminum and you can shave off that too (or a finger) if you are not careful. But if there is old materiel left on these areas, you may not get a good seal on the carb.
PUT IT BACK TOGETHER SLOWLY.
You are going to be screwing brass and steel into aluminum.
You want things firm and tight but do not go overboard with those screwdrivers and wrenches.
Make sure everything is exactly the way you want it before you go on to the next part.
Is the float set just right?
Are all of the jets in the right place?
Taking your time, right?
ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU ARE NOT SURE ABOUT SOMETHING.
Believe it or not, you are not the first person to do this.
There are many people (most more knowledgeable than me) that can answer your questions or send you a pic of what it is "supposed to look like".
We have all been there at one time or another and are usually glad to help out.
Please do not be intimidated by all of this. These are just suggestions that run through my head whenever I go through a carb. It is not "rocket surgery" if you take your time and do it right. If you do it correctly, this may be the only time you ever have to do this with your carb.
Let us know how it goes.
Oh......, and don't use any modeling glue!!!!
Dougieb
There really isn't too much different to say about this carb than any other.
So most of my suggestions are general.
READ UP ALL YOU CAN BEFORE YOU START.
Knowledge is power. Go to Artigue's web site and get all you can.
http://www.artigue.com/fiat
His downloadable book, FIAT 124 Spider Engine Maintenance and Modification is invaluable!!!
This book will show you how to set the carb back to factory setting when you are putting it back together.
He also has PDF blow ups of many Fiat carbs, including the DMSA. Print them out and have it with you when you work.
Learn as much as you can before you start. Someone has probably been inside your carb before. Things may not always be done correctly.
TAKE LOTS OF PICTURES.
That is the biggest. You may need them as reference when trying to figure out which hole does this particular jet fit into.
TAKE YOUR TIME. THIS IS NOT A RACE.
If you get going too fast, you may forget to do something. Take your time to really see what is going on when you take it apart. Try to destroy as little as possible of the old gaskets when taking them out. They can be used to match up the new ones. Carb gaskets are easy to rip if you are not careful.
Watch carefully how the choke linkages go together.
The needles and jets need to be put back into the exact holes they came from.
Inspect all parts to make sure they are not cracked or broken.
Lots of pictures, right?
TAKE IT APART OVER A TRAY TO CATCH ANY LOOSE PARTS OR GUNK THAT IS INSIDE.
There are a couple of brass nipples that are fit into the inside of that carb. They be loose and fall out if you are not careful.
It is not fun looking around in the grass for them. (don't ask me how I know. ha ha)
USE A DUNK TANK TO CLEAN THE CARB.
You can get them for under $40 at any parts store. It looks like a gallon paint can with a little tray inside.
You can leave parts in there for hours to dissolve all of the bad stuff.
(This stuff will dissolve rubber o-rings so be sure not to put any in there.)
You CAN NOT use any kind of scraper or wire to clean the jets or needles. This will ruin them.
Only use the soaking material, spray carb cleaner, or compressed air.
Spray carb cleaners are nice but sometimes do not get out the all of the varnish, dirt, and rust that may be in there.
But you will use the spray carb cleaners after the dunk tank to blow away anything that is still left.
All of the pieces of the carb will not fit in that can. You are going to have to do it in batches.
Take notes to know what jet and needle go on which side of the carb. (Left, right, primary, secondary, upper, lower, etc)
You are taking your time, right?
CLEAN ALL SEALING SURFACES VERY WELL.
Use a razor or gasket scrapper to get all stuck gaskets off. Be VERY CAREFULL because the carb is made of aluminum and you can shave off that too (or a finger) if you are not careful. But if there is old materiel left on these areas, you may not get a good seal on the carb.
PUT IT BACK TOGETHER SLOWLY.
You are going to be screwing brass and steel into aluminum.
You want things firm and tight but do not go overboard with those screwdrivers and wrenches.
Make sure everything is exactly the way you want it before you go on to the next part.
Is the float set just right?
Are all of the jets in the right place?
Taking your time, right?
ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU ARE NOT SURE ABOUT SOMETHING.
Believe it or not, you are not the first person to do this.
There are many people (most more knowledgeable than me) that can answer your questions or send you a pic of what it is "supposed to look like".
We have all been there at one time or another and are usually glad to help out.
Please do not be intimidated by all of this. These are just suggestions that run through my head whenever I go through a carb. It is not "rocket surgery" if you take your time and do it right. If you do it correctly, this may be the only time you ever have to do this with your carb.
Let us know how it goes.
Oh......, and don't use any modeling glue!!!!
Dougieb
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Re: carb fun
keep track of all the jets. they are all marked with a number. in some cases, you have more than one marked component in a port. if you are using air to blow out the jets, lower the pressure a bit so you dont blow the jet across the room and spend a half hour looking for it.
Re: carb fun
that is some seriously great info. i found the artigue site some time ago but ill dive into it a little deeper.
i have a little area set up to do all this stuff and ill make sure i work slow and clean.
the model of productivity!
ill take a lot of photos as i go, so if anyone needs some reference in the future. maybe ILL be able to help
i have a little area set up to do all this stuff and ill make sure i work slow and clean.
the model of productivity!
ill take a lot of photos as i go, so if anyone needs some reference in the future. maybe ILL be able to help
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Re: carb fun
Two other reasons you VERY carefully use compressed air on your carb, and only at low pressures:
1) You turn very easily and unknowingly turn your accelerator pump diaphram into a ballon and blow it up (or apart). Once badly stretched out by air, they will look just fine, but not work well or consistently, and you will be forever chasing symptoms that mimic other problems without knowing it is your accelerator pump diaphram. Best to remove the accelerator pump completely anytime you use air.
2) There some "one way" passages in carbs, and if you are not careful, you will blow debri into those passages, and jam it inot places where it will stay for a very long time, only to cause a blockage down the road - and always at the most inconvenient of time.
I very much prefer to use carb cleaner which I gently circulate through the various carb circuits by using a $3.50 turkey baster from WalMart. Extremely effective at moving even the most difficult dirt, you will not force dirt into a place that you can't clean out.
1) You turn very easily and unknowingly turn your accelerator pump diaphram into a ballon and blow it up (or apart). Once badly stretched out by air, they will look just fine, but not work well or consistently, and you will be forever chasing symptoms that mimic other problems without knowing it is your accelerator pump diaphram. Best to remove the accelerator pump completely anytime you use air.
2) There some "one way" passages in carbs, and if you are not careful, you will blow debri into those passages, and jam it inot places where it will stay for a very long time, only to cause a blockage down the road - and always at the most inconvenient of time.
I very much prefer to use carb cleaner which I gently circulate through the various carb circuits by using a $3.50 turkey baster from WalMart. Extremely effective at moving even the most difficult dirt, you will not force dirt into a place that you can't clean out.
Re: carb fun
Like has been said, do it over a tray. Got an old bathtub?? Anyway, when taking top off, you will see some little brass things sticking out of the bottom section of carb, make sure they are snug in carb, mark where they are are, then leave em there. If they are loose, that is OK too, just don't tip over carb and lose em. Safety glasses and some sort of nitrile gloves. Idle jets are one of the most critical parts to get clean. WHen top off carb, you will see two jets close together in center, right at gasket surface. Mark which goes where, remove em, underneath them is emulsion tubes, often stuck, stick pick down center and try to lilft em out. Once out, mark which goes where.
keith
keith
Re: carb fun
ok got the kit!
it is a box full of parts. and an exploded view of the entire carb. does anyone know of anything online that might provide step by step instructions??
kind of a long shot with a 900 year old carb but. what the heck its worth a try.
it is a box full of parts. and an exploded view of the entire carb. does anyone know of anything online that might provide step by step instructions??
kind of a long shot with a 900 year old carb but. what the heck its worth a try.
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Re: carb fun
hi 74ausfiat where did you pick up the the rebuild kit for the carb?
Nick
Nick
Re: carb fun
nibbes123 wrote:hi 74ausfiat where did you pick up the the rebuild kit for the carb?
Nick
ta da
http://www.autoricambi.us/product/FU2-4 ... --34-DMSA/