81 #1 cylinder not firing - rough idle

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81 #1 cylinder not firing - rough idle

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Hope everyone had a great weekend.

I purchased my 81 turbo (with turbo removed), which has been off the road since '08, almost 2 weeks ago. I was determined to run the engine today, so I fixed a gas leak, put 5 gals of fresh gas with some fuel injector cleaner (I may still have some old gas in there), and checked the cam cover gaskets that were said to be leaking. Before I was going to change the gaskets, I was curious if the gasket bolts weren't tight enough, and I was right. I was able to give them another 1/4 to 1/2 turn. I cleaned up some of the oil (and leaves) that collected by the spark plug wells and started her up. She was very rough, but with a little coaxing with the gas pedal I was able to get her to idle, rough, but idling, and no oil leaking from the gaskets (yet). Turns out #1 isn't firing.

I got the car up to temperature and the fan eventually kicked in around 195-200 degrees, so I was happy about that. Then after letting the engine cool down for an hour, and a good 45 minutes of soaking up the rest of the oil and pulling out all the oil soaked leave residue with paper towels and thin bamboo skewers, I pulled the plugs and replaced them with my new Boschs gaped at .028. That #4 was a little tough to loosen up. All the old plugs were carbon fouled with a tiny bit of tan on the last three, the first had no tan (as suspected) and they were all gaped well over .030. The sad thing is that the car ran essentially the same with the new plugs, if not worse.

I guess my next step is to check for air leaks and look at the injector system. Or could it be valve clearances. I've never had a car with fuel injection before, so I'm completely ignorant about them, except for the little I've read. I'd like to get them cleaned and serviced anyway. I read about a couple of places that do it inexpensively on this site. I may have to do that, but first have to figure out how to get them off. :)

Any insight would be much appreciated. I want to get her on the road soon.

GT
Giulio/Charlotte
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
So Cal Mark

Re: 81 #1 cylinder not firing - rough idle

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if it's been sitting, the injector may be stuck. I'd start with the basics and make sure the cylinder has compression. If it does, then move on to fuel and spark
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I will try that Mark. Thanks.
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Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
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sixcharlie

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giuliot60 wrote:I will try that Mark. Thanks.
And I'll see you tomorrow night to sort it out.
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Thanks 6C!
Giulio/Charlotte
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
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Re: 81 #1 cylinder not firing - rough idle

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Good news. It was a sticking injector. After draining my gas completely, adding 5 gals of fresh 93, and taking Csaba's advice to tap the injector with a screwdriver while the engine was running, she's running on all 4 cylinders and pretty smoothly too. I also added an ounce of Mechanics Helper (Sea Foam copy) to the gas for a light cleaning.

Next step is to take it for a short drive and test the brakes, tranny, and figure out what is making that tic-tic sound under my passenger side dash.

Thanks for everyone's help!
Giulio/Charlotte
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
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Re: 81 #1 cylinder not firing - rough idle

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UPDATE.

So it's driving! Even took the family out (after the initial test run) with the top down for a couple of miles. All the gears in the tranny seem to work well, but the brakes are a little soft. I guess that's what I'll be looking at next.
Giulio/Charlotte
1st car '75 pistachio 128 sedan
Owned a '74 Spider, '68 Firebird, a '65 GTO convertible, and a customized '74 650 Yamaha
Currently own an '81 Turbo (removed) Spider
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