Early Shifter Repair

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Dougieb
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Early Shifter Repair

Post by Dougieb »

Hi all,
I recently rebuilt the shifter on my '72 Spider because I was tired of "fishing" for gears. There is not too much out there for the early 5 speed shifters. In an attempt to actually add knowledge to this forum (instead of constantly taking knowledge from it), I am writing this to try and help others with the same problems.

Here is a blow up of the shifter parts.

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As you can see, there are not many moving parts. This is good. The main parts to watch out for are #12 Reverse stiffening spring, #13 Upper ball socket, and #25 Relay rod. There is also the famous "anti rattle clip" that is not in the above picture. The relay rod merely sits between the lower and upper ball sockets and is tensioned in by the stiffening spring.

Here is what happened to my spring.

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The upper spring is what the PO put in for me. (Geeeeeee, thanks.) It was not the correct size and broke. This did not put any tension on the ball sockets and let the bottom of my shifter rod slide from side to side. With the bottom not secure, there was no pivot point and looooooots of slop.

The spring measures out to..... Wire diameter: 0.08"
Spring length: 1.67"
Spring Inner Diameter: 1.47"
Number of Coils: 3.5


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The upper ball socket and lever on the right (above) were my old ones. Without any tension from the spring on top, the socket rolled around and wore down terribly. The one on the left were the ones I managed to get to replace them.


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Here is the loose assembly. I used a simple synthetic, bearing grease to keep things sliding around nicely. I did remove the "donut" or "guibo" or "flex coupler" to make removal and reassembly easier but it might not be necessary.

One note on the guibo, when you check it, check the torque on the bolts even if you do not change it. None of the six bolts on my car were up to torque. None! Two were merely finger tight and the only thing that kept them together was the fact that the nuts were lock-nuts. I do not know if this experience is unique or not. I have not heard anyone else talk about this on the guibo threads.

Also, check the anti-rattle clip on the top. I believe this is available from various sources. Search for other threads for lots of information on them.


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Be sure to change the top shifter boot if needed. You can see the one on the left that my PO left me. (Geeee thanks again!)

But other than that, it is a fairly easy procedure to change. I now have "snicketty-snicketty" shifting and my reverse lockout actually works! Amazing what a little knowledge and perseverance can do! Sloppy shifting is something that no-one needs to live with if you don't want to.

Thanks again for all of the people that have helped me on this forum.
I hope this will help someone in the future.

Dougieb
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dmwhiteoak
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Exellent and informitive post dougieb, Rebuit my 78 shifter also but did not replace the boots. Were they hard to come by?
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Dougieb, IIRC we 'found' an old style shifter like you have in a NOS inventory. But yes, those parts are hard to come by!

Dennis, all the vendors carry the shifter boots.
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Dougieb
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That is good to know that there are still some parts left.
I got my boot and spring from spiderroadster in Texas.
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Post by baltobernie »

Thanks for the informative post, Doug. I've never been able to reassemble in situ without a helper in the car holding the lever steady with downward pressure.

In addition to the repairs you have done, I recommend the "Michigan Short Shifter" replacement for the top chrome lever. Makes for a much more pleasant drive, and you lose the feeling you've driving a school bus :Ds
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Post by Turbofiat124 »

Don't know about early 5 speeds but on 2000 models if I need to remove the transmission or the shifter for that matter. I find it easier to remove the four bolts that holds the shifter box to the transmission and remove it from the interior of the car. Rather than trying to work around the driveshaft.
Dougieb
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You know, I honestly never thought about removing the shifter box complete to do the repair.
But since I wanted to check the guibo, I went ahead and did it the old fashioned way.

The early style of shifter is easy to put together. I put the loose assembly up through the shifter housing and held it up in a compressed state by putting a vise grip around the shift lever. (To get past the early reverse lockout you have to pull up on the shifter. Not push down.) Then it was easy to put the lower ball socket (cover) on from the bottom of the car. After that, just release the vise grip and you are done. Easy peasy.

But, again, check the guibo for correct torque. Mine was terrible.
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Post by Texasbull »

Very informative, a nice write up and great pics, thanks for adding to the information library!
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Post by ozmington »

Help!! So glad I found this post because I was completely flabergasted today when I went to take apart the shifter on my 1981 Spider (after having purchased the IAF Kit) and found the "EARLY style" set up that this thread is all about. Here's the thing, I'd like to use the newer style parts since I've already paid for them and, they're readily available. Does anybody know if there is a threaded end underneath that nylon ball so that I can use the same shifter and put the nut on the end. I don't know if the previous owner simply used older nylon parts or the the shifter lever itself is different as well. In other words, did the lever design itself change when the other bits and pieces changed?

Also, has anyone found a resource for the infamous "anti-rattle clip"?

This is going to be quite the little summer project but damn, she's awful cute.
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